A few years, which isn’t that weird if you’re both adults.
And from a dramatic perspective I think the “awkward because she’s the sister of your best friend/crush” is a point in the pro-column, that is a dynamic right there.
That’s not how that rule works, man. You take the older person, halve their age, add seven. If the younger person isn’t in that bar, you’re in gross territory.
Isn’t it more liberals who are concerned about age gaps? The conservative position is all in favor of old guys with young trophy wives. That’s traditional.
There is a point after which age gap concern absolutely loops back around to being reactionary conservatism, though, like the idea that no one’s brain is done developing until we’re 25, therefore no one should be able to decide to transition until then.
(I have also seen folks who claimed to be leftist assert that the age of consent, period, should be 25.)
If nothing else, half-plus-seven helps keep the lived experiences reasonably close together. I’m 32 in October, so that’d put 23 as the floor if I applied the guideline. That hypothetical 23-year-old won’t remember anything from the pre-Spider-Man world, but at least they’re old enough to drive and vote and can be expected to make informed decisions for their own life.
The idea that people of roughly the same age make better romantic pairs is actually very traditional in most of the world. It’s just that love wasn’t/isn’t always considered the main reason to get married.
I think people come up with a lot of liberal-sounding reasons for why they think something like age gaps are gross and icky. Usually it’s unnecessary. Taboos aren’t necessarily bad.
I feel like Jocelyne would be awkward about it, though. I mean, she already proved more attractive than Joyce to Joyce’s first boyfriend (though admittedly while Ethan thought she was a guy). Doing that to her first girlfriend as well? Daaang.
Jason Mendoza: I’m telling you, Molotov cocktails work. Any time I had a problem, and I threw a Molotov cocktail, boom! Right away, I had a different problem.
Joe and Joyce are cute and simple together, but Joyce and Dorothy has so much potential for emotional moments and I’ve really really missed gay disasters, it’s been a while since Billie and Ruth were a couple.
I want Joyce and Joe to stick together for a while longer. They’re a fun couple and I want more time with them (and if Joyce/Dorothy does happen I want it to have a more auspicious start).
Also I’m kind of pulling for something to happen with Dorothy and Jocelyne. Not necessarily something good, dating your crush’s sister is historically not a great idea, but I think it’d be something dramatic.
I was also gonna say let Dorothy kiss Jocelyne! Why not!? Trade up as they say. Lose the zero get with the hero. I don’t care if that’s awkward. Dorothy should be on menace time!
I mean I’m a sicko so I don’t care what happens as long as it leads to them banging, them being Joyce+Any of the many losers in love with her, but also if I were to put on a conspiracy theory hat we have all noticed Rachel being around Joe for some unknown reason talking about loyalty and crap. Almost as if she were interested in him so if say his first real relationship went south for some reason she’d be established as a person who likes him so it would sting less and or test his own loyalty as the new improved Joe.
That’s only a guess though. Let Joe crush Dorothy’s heart in his hand in front of her for all I care. Plenty of bespectacled girls in these streets for the both of them.
i feel like even if joyce /dorothy were willing to admit they were bi if not at least each others ‘exceptions’ idk if a long term poly/open relationship would work out like that
Especially since Joe’s whole thing is working on his monogamy and trying to be a better boyfriend. It would be really bewildering to him if he suddenly had to make room for another woman but he wasn’t allowed to go fuck.
I absolutely want Joyce to break up with Joe and get with Dorothy. I like Jorothy, but also I just think Joyce and Joe are really boring together, and them breaking up might lead to some mildly interesting character development for Joe.
Joe/Joyce is probably my least favourite pairing in the history of the comic strip, so I’m for sure in favour of Joe getting dumped. The sooner the better (preferably off a bridge or something)
I sadly can’t make any jokes about the protest going south because the reality is distinctly unfunny and I’m going to the 4th of July Free America ones.
Also keep in mind that if you aren’t covering your face at a protest, and sometimes even if you are, your name and address are going to be discoverable. Facial recognition and gait recognition algorithms are getting really good and cops use them all the time, including local police departments.
If you’re less vulnerable to retaliation and you’re just going to wave signs and yell for a few hours and leave before it gets hot, IMO there’s no reason not to post about it publicly. You have less to lose and putting your name on something publicly is a strong signal.
If it’s another of those “no kings” protests you’ll probably be fine, those ones seems to be very peaceful and non-threatening to the power structures. My parents (who are in their 70s) went to one of those in my area a couple weeks back and nothing bad happened to them. But in the future, it’s probably best to not post online about going to protests, especially if they’re protests against war, genocide, or the entire capitalist system.
It’s best to be clear about issues, if you’re protesting monarchy in the United States it’ll get confusing if you simultaneously criticize a whole other country with a different situation with their monarchy. (Our king is mostly just an advertisement for tourists.) And especially if you have to clarify the difference between your Republicans and theirs. . .
Hey Dorothy, remember how you were upset that yale didnt let you in until you had those traumatic incidents, and then you felt like it was a pity acceptance?
They literally want people with real world experience like that. If they only accepted people based on academic merit, it would be an incredible small batch of people of a single personality
i mean i’m sure there are good ppl from yale but i’d assume a lot of it would be the ‘upper class rich ppl that pay to get their kids in admission’ or so or just sitcoms/some shows always protraying ppl as never shutting up about their school like “I went to Harvard” (other than letting a handful of ‘underprivileged’ kids on a scholarship so it makes them look good too)
what dorothy is attempting to communicate, i think, is that a lot of the things that happened to joyce happened because of people who believed in the inviolability of institutions, or their aftermaths exposed to dorothy just how limited the ways institutions choose to help are. joyce made dorothy question the inviolability of yale, the presidency, etc, and this radically changed the course of dorothy’s life
dorothy didn’t turn down yale because she thought she was being pitied. she turned down yale because it became obvious to her that the system is a game, and the only way to win is on the backs of other people’s suffering
…have you actually seen people from Yale? If there weren’t laws (however long they last) forcing them to take in people who weren’t from a specific social status, they would, in fact, be a monolith of caucasian flesh and conservativism similar to one of the towns in Clive Barker’s “In The Hills, The Cities”.
Probably, it’s usually a sign of nervousness for some ppl tho versus a ‘seductive’ lip bite kinda thing, tho i wonder how effective that is, it just looks awkward/painful , sucky for anyone that also accidentally draws blood
Is it weird that they were standing still for this entire discussion (looking back, may even be the same green tent they began to pass in last strip), and didn’t notice her standing literally right there? It doesn’t even look like Jocelyn happened to bump into them, she’s just turning around and noticing now midway through the conversation.
REALLY enjoying the heart shape in the first panel, and also, Dorothy love. Pls. Get that foot out of your mouth, you’re so swift to dive into denial you gonna hurt Joyce.
Yanked out of a Serious Conversation and her own head, Joyce’s first startled/relieved impulse is still to call her sister by her name, not the dead one she knew them by for the past 18 years/all her life.
I was wondering if anyone else noticed that.
Comfortable holding hands with someone you love through even a rough conversation, but immediately withdrawing the moment someone else is looking at you.
Oh right, Joyce has yet to be told that Dorothy’s dreams and ambitions are something she doesn’t actually want anymore. All she said was “I don’t want to be president.” So now Joyce thinks Dorothy stayed because of her, personally, which…. isn’t *wrong,* but,
I dont think it counts as any one person. Maybe Joyce is a bigger part of it, but I think ultimately it’s everything, including the trauma. Dorothy is a different person than she was. Life has changed her, and this Dorothy gave up on Yale.
Anyone who said now or previously that these muffin farters need couples therapy: you’re so right. I still agree. Not with the boys, that is not the problem right now. Especially with Dorothy dorting out all this therapy speak, let’s leave that for the licensed therapists.
I mean, she’s probably only heard half of what Dorothy was saying because she’s just been repeating “remember to say Jocelyn remember to say Jocelyn” in her head for the last fifteen minutes.
It was certainly romantic from Danny’s end. We didn’t really see enough of it to judge Dorothy’s perspective. I’m sure she thought it was romantic while she was in it.
It was at least sexual with Danny because I remember when she and Wlaky had sex she made a note to “stop sleeping with guys who are virgins” implying Walky’s post-coital response was similar to Danny’s/a guys she’s been with before but most likely Danny.
I know the people who each, individually, see a bisexual character and go, “Hmm, are we actually sure this character is really bi? Let’s twist the narrative into a pretzel to prove they’re not!” don’t mean anything bad by it, but in the aggregate it’s exhausting.
” Indiana public colleges cut almost 20% of degrees
WFIU | By Aubrey Wright
Published June 30, 2025
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Indiana University made the most cuts: 249 programs across all campuses. An IU spokesperson said if the cuts, mergers and consolidations are approved, it would result in a net loss of 222 programs across all campuses.”
To be honest, it wouldn’t surprise me if the police were happy for anyone to leave at this point. The first point of the fence is to keep more people from joining.
Once they actually start moving in and arresting people that’ll change.
It’s good to grow Dorothy, but don’t be too hard on yourself. The world needs folks like you who want to reform institutions too. You needed to get out of your bubble, but that’s everybody, and you’re a far rarer breed than folks who can do nothing but point out everything bad about institutions and wanting to tear things down without a plan, all too often making things worse.
The world has far too many people who seem to think we can reform institutions that are corrupt and rotten to the core, and only really benefit the very wealthy. And funny enough, a lot of the people pointing out the bad things about those institutions and wanting to tear them down actually do have plans for what to do afterwards. We can make the world a better place instead of maintaining the terrible status quo by trying to reform things that can’t be reformed.
I watched it! I really liked it, but if you’re struggling to watch it then maybe it’s just not for you. The music has been stuck in my head for like a week, and I would die for a certain character who I won’t mention in case of spoilers <3
No i really liked (whatvi veen able to watch) i just have AWFUL focus when it comes to watching nee stuff, i can have something in the backkog for months until something just click and binge through in a day.
I find it kind of funny that the way that Dorothy is describing this is decidedly NOT romantic, but that Joyce is completely taking it as romantic.
Dorothy: “You know, if I never met you, I’d probably still have faith in the institutions these people are protesting against. Heck, I’d probably be with the people against these protesters. I’d even be at Yale, preparing to do good from within those institutions.
Joyce: “So what you’re saying is, you didn’t go to Yale because of me?”
Dorothy: “Um, ah, no, that’s not exact-”
Joyce: “You wouldn’t do it for Danny, or Walky… but for me?”
Dorothy: “Look, it’s trauma, it’s OH THANK GOD JOSS IS HERE.”
So either Joyce is projecting her own feelings onto the situation and just *assuming* that it’s more than Dorothy is saying, or she knows Dotty way too well and is putting two and two together.
Either way, it’s cute that she just went there right away. Says a whole lot as to how much she’s matured and grown over time. Like, there’s literally zero flinching, or surprise, or shame that she has these feelings, which is huge considering where she came from. There’s a huge difference between being an ally for others and coming to terms with your own not-straightness, and Joyce is handling this far, far better than literally anyone else we’ve seen take this journey. Better than Dorothy, than Danny, than Ethan, than Billie.
I don’t jnow she very much did Say that she didn’t go to Yake for her. And the fact that she got flustered when Joyce pointed it out signak that it’s true.
Yes, of course it’s true, but that’s beside the fact. Dorothy actually said nothing of the sort. She said, “There’s a version of me that never met you, Joyce. A version of me that still planned to go to Yale. A version of me where I still believed in the inviolability of institutions. That version of me might’ve been with the institutions circling this field right now.”
Those are three separate sentence fragments. We, the audience, know exactly how they’re connected. But Joyce doesn’t. The most one could safely imply without knowing more, is that meeting Joyce had changed Dorothy’s life in a way she never anticipated and changed her way of thinking.
And folks, if you’ve been paying attention at all to the story, that’d have happened whether she was in love with Joyce or not. Joyce attracts trouble and conflict and directly puts herself in the center of it all. Joyce is a catalyst for change.
The simplest train of logic here would go, “A version of me that didn’t meet you, might be still planning to go to Yale, because that version still believed that institutions like these were ultimately good and incorruptible.” With that logic train, it makes it clear that the reason that Yale wasn’t pursued was because of the changed worldview. Joyce would’ve been the catalyst, not the reason.
But Joyce jumps to “I’m the reason you chose not to go to Yale.” Not, “I influenced your decision,” or “I changed your mind,” or even “I changed the way you thought.” Saying “I’m the reason you stayed” implies that the reason Dorothy is actively choosing to stay isn’t something that Joyce DID, it’s who she IS. It means that any other reason is secondary to the fact that Dorothy stayed because there is no Joyce at Yale.
And that’s the leap I think is kind of romantic, which shows that Joyce is already chill with being on the bi train. She already thinks of Dorothy in a romantic way. She likely just didn’t think Dorothy felt the same.
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Awe. 🥺🥹
Yay they found Jocelyne!
*plays “Loving You, Losing You” by Phyllis Hyman on hacked muzak*
Good timing too.
Dorothy: Oh, thank Athe
Hmm finally a God I can get behind
The other day at the altar,
I met a god who wasn’t there.
They weren’t there again today.
How I wish they’d go away.
I like that version! I have the Mad magazine Watergate version stuck in my head.
The other day, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn’t there.
He wasn’t there again today,
I think he’s from the CIA.
I support Dorothy dating Jocelyn now that the latter admits to liking girls too.
how much of an age gap is there? Either way it be awkward to date someone’s sibling like hat lol
A few years, which isn’t that weird if you’re both adults.
And from a dramatic perspective I think the “awkward because she’s the sister of your best friend/crush” is a point in the pro-column, that is a dynamic right there.
sister wives?
Like two years or so, I think?
Dorothy is a college freshman, Jocelyne has graduated, so presumably at least 4 years. Probably 5 or 6.
That’s definitely less than half Dorothy’s age plus seven.
That’s not how that rule works, man. You take the older person, halve their age, add seven. If the younger person isn’t in that bar, you’re in gross territory.
I think they were joking, but depending on how old Jocelyne actually is, she’s at best right on the edge of the rule.
It’s a stupid rule. There are people more mature at 19 than I am at 76. If two adults are happy with each other, it’s no-one else’s business
Heck, some of us have dated our ex’s sister before
I married my ex’s twin.
Frankly, I traded up.
Age gap: A conservative excuse to infantilize adult women and cast them as incapable of thinking for themselves.
Isn’t it more liberals who are concerned about age gaps? The conservative position is all in favor of old guys with young trophy wives. That’s traditional.
There is a point after which age gap concern absolutely loops back around to being reactionary conservatism, though, like the idea that no one’s brain is done developing until we’re 25, therefore no one should be able to decide to transition until then.
(I have also seen folks who claimed to be leftist assert that the age of consent, period, should be 25.)
In general, a lot of “restrict the youth” stuff is conservative, but age gap in particular rarely is.
And age of consent at 25 is ridiculous – though I have been known to half-seriously suggest legislating the half-your-age-plus-seven rule.
If nothing else, half-plus-seven helps keep the lived experiences reasonably close together. I’m 32 in October, so that’d put 23 as the floor if I applied the guideline. That hypothetical 23-year-old won’t remember anything from the pre-Spider-Man world, but at least they’re old enough to drive and vote and can be expected to make informed decisions for their own life.
The idea that people of roughly the same age make better romantic pairs is actually very traditional in most of the world. It’s just that love wasn’t/isn’t always considered the main reason to get married.
I think people come up with a lot of liberal-sounding reasons for why they think something like age gaps are gross and icky. Usually it’s unnecessary. Taboos aren’t necessarily bad.
I feel like Jocelyne would be awkward about it, though. I mean, she already proved more attractive than Joyce to Joyce’s first boyfriend (though admittedly while Ethan thought she was a guy). Doing that to her first girlfriend as well? Daaang.
It’s Jocelyne, not Jocelyn 💕
(Sirens in the distance)
Dorothy: “Oh thank God, a distraction. I was about to throw a freaking Molotov to get out of this conversation.”
Pfff, Dorothy on a rampage? She’d knock over a disposable coffee cup. Or maybe even litter.
Yeah, Dorothy is basically Sweetheart with opposable thumbs.
Then start walking away, but actually in a loop to pick it back up and dispose of it responsibly.
Dorothy is Human!Sweetheart…
Things make so much more sense now!
Jason Mendoza: I’m telling you, Molotov cocktails work. Any time I had a problem, and I threw a Molotov cocktail, boom! Right away, I had a different problem.
“You are my trauma, Joyce”
But where’s the badly drawn portrait?!
You are my trauma, my only trauma
You keep me happy when skies are grey
Accept this +1, citizen. Well done.
Being somehow gayer than you dear Jocelyne. You know how the game is.
I mean Joss thought she was straight until recently, so while that’s not nothing it’s not the highest bar to clear either.
Saved by the sister; for now at least.
I’m so torn on whether I want Joyce to stay with Joe, or whether I want Joyce and Dorothy to be a couple.
What do y’all think? Is there a 3rd option?
There’s the P-word everyone always brings up, but I don’t think it’s viable.
Before what you meant clicked, my first thought was “pregnant.”
Yes, of course, Joyce just needs to get Dorothy pregnant. It all makes sense now.
Wait, Dorothy? I assumed she’d be getting Joe pregnant.
Joe is pregnant with Dorothy’s baby via Joyce having (what she currently defines as) sex with both of them.
This follows from the transitive property of sex.
her egg will penetrate dorothy’s egg and make a grand slam
So what you’re saying is that Joyce is Denny-sexual?
+1
I never understood how people could look at pangolins that way, or how it applies here?
To be honest, I think Joe is the more compelling option for me, still, but I do think there is a lot of meat on any of the options.
Joe and Joyce are cute and simple together, but Joyce and Dorothy has so much potential for emotional moments and I’ve really really missed gay disasters, it’s been a while since Billie and Ruth were a couple.
I want Joyce and Joe to stick together for a while longer. They’re a fun couple and I want more time with them (and if Joyce/Dorothy does happen I want it to have a more auspicious start).
Also I’m kind of pulling for something to happen with Dorothy and Jocelyne. Not necessarily something good, dating your crush’s sister is historically not a great idea, but I think it’d be something dramatic.
I was also gonna say let Dorothy kiss Jocelyne! Why not!? Trade up as they say. Lose the zero get with the hero. I don’t care if that’s awkward. Dorothy should be on menace time!
I mean I’m a sicko so I don’t care what happens as long as it leads to them banging, them being Joyce+Any of the many losers in love with her, but also if I were to put on a conspiracy theory hat we have all noticed Rachel being around Joe for some unknown reason talking about loyalty and crap. Almost as if she were interested in him so if say his first real relationship went south for some reason she’d be established as a person who likes him so it would sting less and or test his own loyalty as the new improved Joe.
That’s only a guess though. Let Joe crush Dorothy’s heart in his hand in front of her for all I care. Plenty of bespectacled girls in these streets for the both of them.
i feel like even if joyce /dorothy were willing to admit they were bi if not at least each others ‘exceptions’ idk if a long term poly/open relationship would work out like that
Especially since Joe’s whole thing is working on his monogamy and trying to be a better boyfriend. It would be really bewildering to him if he suddenly had to make room for another woman but he wasn’t allowed to go fuck.
As long as they don’t cheat on their current boyfriends and maybe break up with them first, I’m fine with Joyce and Dorothy getting together.
I absolutely want Joyce to break up with Joe and get with Dorothy. I like Jorothy, but also I just think Joyce and Joe are really boring together, and them breaking up might lead to some mildly interesting character development for Joe.
Joe/Joyce is probably my least favourite pairing in the history of the comic strip, so I’m for sure in favour of Joe getting dumped. The sooner the better (preferably off a bridge or something)
Cool, now they can tell her the thing that could’ve waited and then buzz off.
I too am convinced it will work exactly like that.
I sadly can’t make any jokes about the protest going south because the reality is distinctly unfunny and I’m going to the 4th of July Free America ones.
Please attend if you can!
PSA: Never ever EVER post on the internet that you are going to a protest. Simply do not.
I’m preparing to be arrested rather than trying to avoid it. Getting arrested is something that may be necessary for change.
gotta get the establishment to disgrace themselves to the public *somehow*
“And I will cast your way abominable filth, and I will make you vile, and I will make you a spectacle.”
It’s an attitude that I worry is arrogant and stupid but I’d prefer to be prepared for it mentally.
Anyway, this is a very timely comic and I congrats on Willis for handling it the way he is.
I mean not really, remember them letter brotha MLK wrote when he was in jail?
just remember that when the cop asks “how your day was” or anything else for that matter,
Shut. The Fuck. Up. 👈🏽
*plays “Southbound” by Nu Alkemi$t on hacked muzak*
specifically I mean ya attitude ain’t arrogant,
but yeah Willis is really doin this whole dealio justice
my only disappointment is that the tents we seeing here are probably the closest we’ll get to seeing any of the cast going camping anytime soon ;-;
nah we gonna get a flash forward to 90% of the cast going on a spring break camping trip to the whitehouse lawn.
good luck!
Imma do it anyway, just to see
Also keep in mind that if you aren’t covering your face at a protest, and sometimes even if you are, your name and address are going to be discoverable. Facial recognition and gait recognition algorithms are getting really good and cops use them all the time, including local police departments.
If you’re less vulnerable to retaliation and you’re just going to wave signs and yell for a few hours and leave before it gets hot, IMO there’s no reason not to post about it publicly. You have less to lose and putting your name on something publicly is a strong signal.
If it’s another of those “no kings” protests you’ll probably be fine, those ones seems to be very peaceful and non-threatening to the power structures. My parents (who are in their 70s) went to one of those in my area a couple weeks back and nothing bad happened to them. But in the future, it’s probably best to not post online about going to protests, especially if they’re protests against war, genocide, or the entire capitalist system.
It’s still hilarious to me that Over Here we called it “No Tyrants” even though a lot of the protestors probably did believe in no kings.
It’s best to be clear about issues, if you’re protesting monarchy in the United States it’ll get confusing if you simultaneously criticize a whole other country with a different situation with their monarchy. (Our king is mostly just an advertisement for tourists.) And especially if you have to clarify the difference between your Republicans and theirs. . .
“We were discussing our lo-”
“Need to find you! Tell her about your father.”
Oof. Sailed right into your torpedo with this one, Dorothy.
Hey Dorothy, remember how you were upset that yale didnt let you in until you had those traumatic incidents, and then you felt like it was a pity acceptance?
They literally want people with real world experience like that. If they only accepted people based on academic merit, it would be an incredible small batch of people of a single personality
I think Dorothy is using that as an excuse she doesn’t want to leave her friends and is just not that interested in her dream anymore.
i mean i’m sure there are good ppl from yale but i’d assume a lot of it would be the ‘upper class rich ppl that pay to get their kids in admission’ or so or just sitcoms/some shows always protraying ppl as never shutting up about their school like “I went to Harvard” (other than letting a handful of ‘underprivileged’ kids on a scholarship so it makes them look good too)
what dorothy is attempting to communicate, i think, is that a lot of the things that happened to joyce happened because of people who believed in the inviolability of institutions, or their aftermaths exposed to dorothy just how limited the ways institutions choose to help are. joyce made dorothy question the inviolability of yale, the presidency, etc, and this radically changed the course of dorothy’s life
dorothy didn’t turn down yale because she thought she was being pitied. she turned down yale because it became obvious to her that the system is a game, and the only way to win is on the backs of other people’s suffering
…have you actually seen people from Yale? If there weren’t laws (however long they last) forcing them to take in people who weren’t from a specific social status, they would, in fact, be a monolith of caucasian flesh and conservativism similar to one of the towns in Clive Barker’s “In The Hills, The Cities”.
Jocelyn!
Also…. is Joyce… biting her lip in the last panel…?
Probably, it’s usually a sign of nervousness for some ppl tho versus a ‘seductive’ lip bite kinda thing, tho i wonder how effective that is, it just looks awkward/painful , sucky for anyone that also accidentally draws blood
Also consider how it seems (to me) she released her hard just before that panel, after noticing her sibling.
I was about to say that as well.
Is it weird that they were standing still for this entire discussion (looking back, may even be the same green tent they began to pass in last strip), and didn’t notice her standing literally right there? It doesn’t even look like Jocelyn happened to bump into them, she’s just turning around and noticing now midway through the conversation.
Or has been quietly listening the whole time.
maybe some of the tents have the same color but i assume last strip was them still walking and talking at the same time
But it’s a comic book, i wouldn’t worry about it as much considering Charlie/Dina’s disappearing act or so
Jocelyne has an “e” at the end jsyk!
REALLY enjoying the heart shape in the first panel, and also, Dorothy love. Pls. Get that foot out of your mouth, you’re so swift to dive into denial you gonna hurt Joyce.
“It was a trauma response.” Should be the title of the Dorothy x Joyce slipshine.
Joyce and Dorothy do a trauma response.
Yanked out of a Serious Conversation and her own head, Joyce’s first startled/relieved impulse is still to call her sister by her name, not the dead one she knew them by for the past 18 years/all her life.
I love her.
Some might call Joyce’s delete and rewrite technique excessive, but it’s definitely effective.
Trauma response my FOOT
Note she goes right to ‘trauma response’, which indicates she is immediately also going right to ‘this sounds very romantic’.
Ohhh family member!
Immediately let go of her hand!
Old “habits” die hard.
I was wondering if anyone else noticed that.
Comfortable holding hands with someone you love through even a rough conversation, but immediately withdrawing the moment someone else is looking at you.
I know that feeling, I’ve *done* that.
ah perfect willis timing
this feels like it’s gonna be a HARSH chapter
Oh right, Joyce has yet to be told that Dorothy’s dreams and ambitions are something she doesn’t actually want anymore. All she said was “I don’t want to be president.” So now Joyce thinks Dorothy stayed because of her, personally, which…. isn’t *wrong,* but,
Joyce would be HORRIFIED!
YEARS of Julia Gray comics are ruined.
Future President Doris isn’t a transparent Dorothy insert at all! Dorothy is blonde. Doris is brunette!
I wonder how much Jocelyne heard of their conversation before she noticed Joyce and Dorothy standing next to her.
I dont think it counts as any one person. Maybe Joyce is a bigger part of it, but I think ultimately it’s everything, including the trauma. Dorothy is a different person than she was. Life has changed her, and this Dorothy gave up on Yale.
Druggings. Stabbings. Kidnappings. Clubbings. Hand Holdings. Kraft Dinner Cookings. Yes, the “what-if”s are abundant between them.
Alt-text forgot about the fence, I fear
It’s a flimsy-lookin’ fence and can easily be surmounted.
Anyone who said now or previously that these muffin farters need couples therapy: you’re so right. I still agree. Not with the boys, that is not the problem right now. Especially with Dorothy dorting out all this therapy speak, let’s leave that for the licensed therapists.
I think this is the first time the fact that Jocelyne is older has been so evident. Just something in how she’s drawn, and her expression.
Also, kudos to Joyce to having adapted so quickly that she’s already using the right name even when startled.
I mean, she’s probably only heard half of what Dorothy was saying because she’s just been repeating “remember to say Jocelyn remember to say Jocelyn” in her head for the last fifteen minutes.
Jocelyne with an “e” at the end 💕
When did Joyce learn Danny’s name?
Wait yeah, hold up. This is a massive plot hole.
Damn, Dorothy has got it BAD for Joyce 🙁 I knew it was intense, but not like, and then I met you, intense.
Alright, that’s cartoonishly convenient, be so fr
Cartoonish convenience? In a cartoon?
Nonsense. Next you’ll be telling me there’s comedy in this comic.
I am tearing up my shoes with my teeth like a dog
Hmm, does/did Dorothy have a *romantic* relationship with Danny and Wally, or just a *sexual* relationship?
Certainly seemed romantic and sexual with Walky the first time around. I’m not sure about Danny though.
It was certainly romantic from Danny’s end. We didn’t really see enough of it to judge Dorothy’s perspective. I’m sure she thought it was romantic while she was in it.
It was at least sexual with Danny because I remember when she and Wlaky had sex she made a note to “stop sleeping with guys who are virgins” implying Walky’s post-coital response was similar to Danny’s/a guys she’s been with before but most likely Danny.
Joe actively said Dorothy took Danny’s virginity, yes.
Let’s take it further. Is she really even into men at all?
I know the people who each, individually, see a bisexual character and go, “Hmm, are we actually sure this character is really bi? Let’s twist the narrative into a pretzel to prove they’re not!” don’t mean anything bad by it, but in the aggregate it’s exhausting.
This, yes.
dorothy literally told walky she loves him completely unprompted but go off i guess
Apropos of IU:
https://www.ipm.org/news-section/2025-06-30/indiana-public-colleges-cut-almost-20-of-degrees
” Indiana public colleges cut almost 20% of degrees
WFIU | By Aubrey Wright
Published June 30, 2025
…
Indiana University made the most cuts: 249 programs across all campuses. An IU spokesperson said if the cuts, mergers and consolidations are approved, it would result in a net loss of 222 programs across all campuses.”
Full list of abolished subjects here:
https://www.in.gov/che/files/Info-Item-Voluntary-Early-Actions-and-Future-Commitments-Before-HEA1001-2025-Implementation.pdf
Surprise surprise, it’s all the “woke” ones.
nanotechnology and medicine are “woke” now huh?
is our country run by militant 6-year-olds who can’t be bothered to think too deeply about anything but football and furniture prices?
yes, yes it is (-_-)
impending “officer we’re not part of the protest it’s okay if we leave right”
To be honest, it wouldn’t surprise me if the police were happy for anyone to leave at this point. The first point of the fence is to keep more people from joining.
Once they actually start moving in and arresting people that’ll change.
It’s good to grow Dorothy, but don’t be too hard on yourself. The world needs folks like you who want to reform institutions too. You needed to get out of your bubble, but that’s everybody, and you’re a far rarer breed than folks who can do nothing but point out everything bad about institutions and wanting to tear things down without a plan, all too often making things worse.
The world has far too many people who seem to think we can reform institutions that are corrupt and rotten to the core, and only really benefit the very wealthy. And funny enough, a lot of the people pointing out the bad things about those institutions and wanting to tear them down actually do have plans for what to do afterwards. We can make the world a better place instead of maintaining the terrible status quo by trying to reform things that can’t be reformed.
Dorothy saying “it’s a trauma response” makes me want to grab her by the shoulders and shake her ngl
Anyone here has watched kpop demon hunters? I keep getting distracted while trying to watch ot so i like some encouragement
I watched it! I really liked it, but if you’re struggling to watch it then maybe it’s just not for you. The music has been stuck in my head for like a week, and I would die for a certain character who I won’t mention in case of spoilers <3
No i really liked (whatvi veen able to watch) i just have AWFUL focus when it comes to watching nee stuff, i can have something in the backkog for months until something just click and binge through in a day.
I find it kind of funny that the way that Dorothy is describing this is decidedly NOT romantic, but that Joyce is completely taking it as romantic.
Dorothy: “You know, if I never met you, I’d probably still have faith in the institutions these people are protesting against. Heck, I’d probably be with the people against these protesters. I’d even be at Yale, preparing to do good from within those institutions.
Joyce: “So what you’re saying is, you didn’t go to Yale because of me?”
Dorothy: “Um, ah, no, that’s not exact-”
Joyce: “You wouldn’t do it for Danny, or Walky… but for me?”
Dorothy: “Look, it’s trauma, it’s OH THANK GOD JOSS IS HERE.”
So either Joyce is projecting her own feelings onto the situation and just *assuming* that it’s more than Dorothy is saying, or she knows Dotty way too well and is putting two and two together.
Either way, it’s cute that she just went there right away. Says a whole lot as to how much she’s matured and grown over time. Like, there’s literally zero flinching, or surprise, or shame that she has these feelings, which is huge considering where she came from. There’s a huge difference between being an ally for others and coming to terms with your own not-straightness, and Joyce is handling this far, far better than literally anyone else we’ve seen take this journey. Better than Dorothy, than Danny, than Ethan, than Billie.
I don’t jnow she very much did Say that she didn’t go to Yake for her. And the fact that she got flustered when Joyce pointed it out signak that it’s true.
Yes, of course it’s true, but that’s beside the fact. Dorothy actually said nothing of the sort. She said, “There’s a version of me that never met you, Joyce. A version of me that still planned to go to Yale. A version of me where I still believed in the inviolability of institutions. That version of me might’ve been with the institutions circling this field right now.”
Those are three separate sentence fragments. We, the audience, know exactly how they’re connected. But Joyce doesn’t. The most one could safely imply without knowing more, is that meeting Joyce had changed Dorothy’s life in a way she never anticipated and changed her way of thinking.
And folks, if you’ve been paying attention at all to the story, that’d have happened whether she was in love with Joyce or not. Joyce attracts trouble and conflict and directly puts herself in the center of it all. Joyce is a catalyst for change.
The simplest train of logic here would go, “A version of me that didn’t meet you, might be still planning to go to Yale, because that version still believed that institutions like these were ultimately good and incorruptible.” With that logic train, it makes it clear that the reason that Yale wasn’t pursued was because of the changed worldview. Joyce would’ve been the catalyst, not the reason.
But Joyce jumps to “I’m the reason you chose not to go to Yale.” Not, “I influenced your decision,” or “I changed your mind,” or even “I changed the way you thought.” Saying “I’m the reason you stayed” implies that the reason Dorothy is actively choosing to stay isn’t something that Joyce DID, it’s who she IS. It means that any other reason is secondary to the fact that Dorothy stayed because there is no Joyce at Yale.
And that’s the leap I think is kind of romantic, which shows that Joyce is already chill with being on the bi train. She already thinks of Dorothy in a romantic way. She likely just didn’t think Dorothy felt the same.